Yeah I think that’s the gist of the line from Luke. And that’s such a great tie in observation! Luke knows how those kind of actions stemming from anger can cause ripple effects and that’s how he knew Kylo’s actions with Han ‘split him to the bone’ – and why he wouldn’t allow Kylo a chance to take Luke’s death on as well.
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Do you think that Kylo would have acted differently on Crait if earlier in Snoke’s throne room Rey had rejected his proposal with a simple “no” instead of reaching for the saber? Maybe he felt tricked/betrayed? Sorry if you’ve already answered this question.
It’s okay, it’s a good question.
You know, people have been saying it was him being upset cause Rey betrayed him…and I’ll tell you that’s not what I got from that scene, bUT I think it’s probably true that he DID feel a bit wounded by her doing that to the point of betrayal.
I think if she had simply said no that whole thing would have played out differently. It would have been a conversation – heated, yes, but…so she messed up, too. I get it though, not placing blame lol
But regardless I think that Kylo’s actions with Crait was…to make a point? Like ‘I’m the Supreme Leader now, and I’ll show you all!!’ at least initially. Then the Falcon shows up and he loses his GOD DAMN MIND and then LUKE and UUUUUUUGH KYLO LOST IT lol.
I think we have to remember that Snoke has been in Kylo’s head for over maybe 20 years, indoctrinating him into the dark side and teaching him his way of life at the time of the trilogy. And Kylo kills him after knowing Rey for less than a week (pretty sure that’s the time frame from start of TFA to TLJ) and if that doesn’t mean something I don’t know what does! (Amazing account!!! If you couldn’t tell I’ve been scrolling through your posts lmao! Keep up the good work!)
Yes yes yes! Absolutely yes. He was target Ben Solo WHILE HE WAS STILL IN LEIA’S WOMB. That is a LOT of shit to work through – indoctrination is no joke.
Kylo was betrayed (literally) by the one trusted to care for him, at a time when he had RESISTED THE DARK CALL FOR 20+ YEARS WITHOUT TURNING. He was strong, so very strong Ben Solo was, but the thing with Luke absolutely broke him.
He still made his bad choices (TERRIBLE BAD NO GOOD CHOICES) but it’s so hard to break that indoctrination and conditioning, but he felt certain with his choice then with Rey there – FINALLY, someone who listened and understood him completely – someone the FORCE itself bonded to him.
And like a light switch he ended Snoke. And then made more bad decisions, because that’s how conditioning works – and he’s an emotional mess (as usual).
Can’t wait for the final installment! FORCEBONNNNND
And thanks! =) enjoying the onslaught of asks lol
Tbh I think Snoke lied. I think the force bond was there already. Maybe he tampered with it, but I’d have to go back and really look at TFA novel. I feel like Kylo felt the bond before Snoke realized who Rey was?
They bonded in the interrogation scene, flat out. Snoke had no idea she was even there until after the snow fight.
And keep in mind this is maybe a day after starkiller technically, so it makes sense that the bond hadn’t catapulted them into each other’s arms yet until TLJ.
I find it interesting how so many are questioning the force bond because of what Snoke said. I saw that as him trying to get into their heads and make them doubt their bond, which didn’t work. It seems to have worked on some fans tho, lol.
Absolutely, I agree on the Snoke part. The whole idea of him is to tear others down, make them think what they feel isn’t real or true etc. HE IS A MANIPULATOR.
That’s what Kylo recognizes in those moments, that he was feeding them lies. He KNEW that bond was real.
Snoke wanted them to doubt each other, and it didn’t work – because they had felt the truth. And it was proven correct at the end.
force bond can not be created by anyonewhen one dies the bond does not disappear completely
Yup, at least what we know of force bonds they’re created only by an intense moment and relationship. And it never goes away.
As a Reylo fan since TFA, it is so lovely to see all these new fans. Especially considering how much crap the fandom put up with over the last two years being called every name in the book for even daring to be a fan of Kylo and Reylo. Now the tide is turning in our favor and I’ll be honest I’m probably enjoying it a little too much. :P
No such thing as too much! I’m super ecstatic to see it as well, it’s what I was hoping for when I was making that FAQ/Guide during my #nospoilers hiatus.
It IS wonderful to see, makes me feel warm and fuzzy to be honest. The pay off from two years of this anti barrage and loving fandom has just been incredible.
By JJ’s comments on the DVD he shipped more finnrey than reylo He comments how he struggled and needed to change the scenes of Rey and Finn several times to build an affection between them But now there is more like him to do Finnrey because Rian canonized Finnrose So if he’s going to invest in a couple, it’ll be Reylo
Should go back and listen to the dvd commentary, because JJ was ALL about dat Reylo: http://reylosource.tumblr.com/post/167788097499/jj-abrams-on-rey-and-kylo-ren-tfa-commentary
and go through my tag too for it – http://reylosource.tumblr.com/tagged/jj-abrams
He meant affection as in friendship, because otherwise no one would have believed that Finn would lead a resistance attack for Rey, or even come back for her. Or fight for each other in the end. So he needed to show that friendship build so that we believed it and it wasn’t just because we were being told.
He created the Reylo train and he’s gonna bring it to fruition in ep 9.
What are your thoughts on how they handled Luke’s story? I’ve seen so many people shout “character assassination” and even Hamill himself admitted to disagreeing with Johnson on this interpretation
I think it was a radical trajectory that makes total sense in context. I can understand why Mark was alarmed by it and his characterization esp in the flashback, but…
I think it makes complete sense – and even Mark admitted to understanding it later, agreeing with it even. It was just such a radical shift for Luke when you compare it to ROTJ, on the surface at least.
It’s not character assassination that’s mostly just antis being a bit butthurt.
They did everything in their power to explain why Luke was this way – why he shut himself off, even his thing with Ben, all rational and it just broke him – and THAT’S why Yoda shows up. To reinforce that THIS IS THE SAME LUKE SKYWALKER AS IN ESB.
‘Always looking to the horizon, never HERE.’ ‘Learn from mistakes, you must.’ Etc.
The line about the true burden of masters is seeing their apprentices growing beyond their capabilities and teachings, very appropriate and I think Luke needed to hear all of those things.
That it’s okay to fail – to even have failed so completely – but he had to make it RIGHT. And I think it was just a very human thing for Luke to have lost sight of that so firmly.
I wonder how much time it took for TFA and TLJ events to unfold in terms of local timeline? Like two weeks or so? It escalated really quickly.
Yeah two weeks galactic standard time MAX. It kind ofmakes sense I guess cause the FOjust showed up from the unknown regions with this giant ass death star thing, wipes out the entire republic system of govt planets, and then there’s nothing but the resistance in their way. That doesn’t take too long.
It is pretty wild when you think about it in the perspective of relationships though, lol – just try not tot hink about it
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