Tag: meta

reylocallfromthelight:

reyloeverafter:

“No one’s ever really gone.”

If that isn’t the biggest foreshadowing of Ben Solo being saved and returning in episode 9, then I don’t know what is.

“Hope is like the Sun (son). If you only believe in it when you see it, you’ll never get through the night.”

What’s your take on what Rian said, Like I’m glad he explained that Kylo wasn’t trying to manipulate Rey but at the same time he was being manipulative with the way he said things. How do you see it??

This is the full quote I’ll address, for people who haven’t seen it:

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I feel like Rian pretty much covered all of it in plain terms – that what Kylo is saying is coming from a place of love, of honesty, a very ‘naked, open emotional appeal’ – he needs her to stay with him, be with him – he is in LOVE with her. But the way he goes about it – the ‘botched proposal’ is terrible – we’ve all said this, we’re all on board with that. He doesn’t MEAN for it to be terrible or manipulative and that is all we need to know really.

Kylo, unintentionally, was using Rey’s need to belong and not be alone, to have a purpose – to get her to stay with him. It is absolutely NO surprise that Kylo wouldn’t have thought twice about how he said these things – he has no healthy social experience. He’s been manipulated since birth, his parents aren’t exactly picturesque for healthy relationships, and his uncle tried to murder him. 

He’s ALWAYS been honest with Rey, and in this scene it’s no different – whether he’s inadvertently manipulating her emotions to get what he wants is almost irrelevant to Reylo. Because we KNOW it’s wrong – that’s why she doesn’t accept it – we see that as the audience, Kylo only sees this open and honest appeal to her as being brutally rejected, though. Which makes it a heartbreaking game of misunderstanding.

It’s NOT a chess game, Kylo isn’t a mastermind – he knows one thing: that he loves Rey, he WANTS her by his side desperately. And he says what he says because he’s a total doofus and doesn’t realize how it comes across – that what he’s doing/saying is WRONG, even if his intention is so pure.

So really, whether it’s a manipulation or not is irrelevant because we know two things:

1) Kylo wasn’t doing it intentionally – it is not a chess game to him.
2) Rey wasn’t manipulated and made the ‘right’ choice.

sleemo:

“In the first Star Wars films, Darth Vader was a great villain, but he was never someone that you identified with. You identified with Luke’s relationship to him. So Vader was the monster. He was the scary father, and then he was the father you had to reconcile with. Whereas with Kylo, it’s almost like Rey and Kylo are two halves of the protagonist. Rey is the light, and Kylo is the dark.

And with Kylo, again, this is all about the transition from adolescence into adulthood. Kylo is that anger of adolescence, and wanting to reject your parents, and wanting to break away, which, to some extent, all of us can identify with as much as we can identify with the hopeful Rey looking up at the stars from her planet.”

— Rian Johnson on what makes Kylo Ren unique

THE LAST JEDI’S TWISTED THEORY OF THE SELF

I stumbled upon this on twitter, excerpts below because I don’t want to totally repost it – it’s short and interesting – about the self and Reylo.

This is something like what it means to have chemistry with another person. There is chemistry between friends, sports teams, and #Reylo. At first glance, having chemistry might seem like an academic exercise, an addition problem—the more knowledge you have about someone (and visa versa), the better your chemistry. But there seems to be something else going on. What’s notable about the most dynamic of duos, the most terrific trios, and the fabbest foursomes isn’t simply that they know each other well. It’s that, together, they become a new entity—something greater than the sum of its parts. 

If we can believe, like Hofstadter, that the self is fundamentally a pattern, then it’s not a stretch to imagine that one mind can hold multiple selves. None of these rudimentary selves can be as complex and complete as the one we call “I,” but some can be so substantial that they constitute very important parts of our minds. These are smaller loops within your Strange Loop, built from your perceptions of a friend, partner, or parent.

On this theory, chemistry comes out of these secondary loops. You have chemistry with someone because part of that person’s identity is, in fact, part of yours. We recognize this on a metaphorical level in the way we speak of couples. Rey and Kylo Ren become Reylo, and there is no conservation of identity.

No wonder #Reylo is #goals. It’s a single thing, a separate entity, decentralized across two minds—a Gordian knot of Strange Loops, braided, intertwined, and inseparable.

darth-tantrum:

Soft Boy Evidence:

1.Calligraphy set and loads of Jedi texts.

2.Based his light saber off of some specific historical homage

3. Thinks he’s not evil enough so he sits in a room with his mask on talking to his imaginary grandfather shrine.

4. Gets brutually insulted, but doesn’t care because he would rather know about how a Force Bond works.

5. Was five seconds away from bawling after Rey tells him her sad cave story

6. Never kissed anyone in his life. Probably watched his Jedi friends play spin the bottle but got too nervous to play.

7. Nearly cries in elevator after his dark master berates him.

8. Writes detailed specifics on flying and how to improve tie-fighters

9. Started crying in the middle of his terribly botched proposal when he realized he was doing it all wrong.

Hi I saw your reply to my anon haha and yes it hit me too. Think about it. Ben confided in Rey what Luke did, Luke confirms it (sort of) and then not only does Rey take the saber when he’s begging for her hand, Luke suddenly shows up with it? That must have cut his heart deep! Then the cut grew deeper when he realized he judged her wrong and fears he lost her for good now. Even if he did sense her in the MF, his anger is pretty justified imo.

Absolutely – it’s just horrific to think about. It’s a series of misunderstandings and triggers that builds and builds until he comes to the absolutely CRUSHING realization that all of those choices he made – esp. after Rey leaves him – were all for naught, because she’s not with him. I think he realizes it there – after Luke passes, and the triggers have gone and the rage is worked out for now.

Like we talked a lot about how he totally loses it when he wakes up and realizes she’s left him – after rejecting his proposal almost violently. He snaps, and then he sees Luke- which in and of itself is a huge trigger – and then Luke shows up with that VERY SAME LIGHTSABER? Like, Kylo had no chance.

And what kills me now is that Rian CONFIRMED that was Luke’s intention – to literally rile Kylo up and distract him to the point of near-insanity. Heartbreaking.

So yeah, he thinks that Rey threw him away like everyone else – helped his Uncle ‘finish the job’ so to speak – until the moment he sees her. And they just stare at each other, he moves to go to her and she shuts the door. 

So from what Rian said Kylo had no idea the saber broke. To me it seems this was an intentionally misunderstanding to explain Kylo’s actions were from hurt and not “evil” feelings, because when he saw it with Luke he might have thought Rey gave it to Luke. That anger wold only grow worse and when he said he would destroy her then Luke tricked him and was fake, he realized Rey did not give Luke the saber and he loses it and then gets all sad when he sees her.

violetbaudels:

Yep! It’s another great explanation for Kylo’s behavior and one that I’m glad we got.

oh god I hadn’t thought of that yet, wow that’s…

sleemo:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Secrets Explained | Codenames

Pablo Hidalgo and Rayne Roberts explain how The Last Jedi’s production codename “Space Bear” came about and what each character was named.

Luke / Mark Hamill = Space Bear
Yoda / Frank Oz = Baby Bear
Rey / Daisy Ridley = Goldilocks
Kylo / Adam Driver = Grizzly Bear
Poe / Oscar Isaac = Smokey Bear
Hux / Domhnall Gleeson = Paddington Bear

I want…to analyze this very deeply.