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I hope they don’t make Kylo/Ben responsible for whatever they do with Leia in Episode 9. If they kill her off I hope its not because he fired at the ship or something. Its going to be along 2 years lol. Everything will worry me.

Same! I don’t think they will though, because they already showed that Kylo was unwilling to kill his mother.

They did say they have enough footage to work with to have it ‘make sense’ so I think…they’ll probably have her off help rebuild the rebellion somewhere.

And if they decide to kill her, I 320000000% bet you that Hux will be responsible. He’ll have orchestrated an attack knowing Leia is there, without Kylo’s permission. And Kylo loses his shit and possibly leaves in some way.

I could legitimately see that happening.

do you think that the fact of Rey is phisically beautiful is something to do with the internal conflict that Ben feels for her?Every time he sees her in his gaze, he sees that struggle to confront her, but that admiration of those who, when they see someone very attractive, feel. Is it a conditioner like she looks for Kylo?

I don’t really think so. It’s incredibly clear that Kylo was intrigued by her from the beginning, a mystery, then in the interrogation scene it was cemented – she has the Force, she’s strong like me. That’s clearly very alluring to him.

And then in TLJ, I think what attracts him is how she echoes his feelings of being so lost – they’re both swept up with this power that is greater than Luke’s, alone. And to Kylo, she opens up and shares that with him – how long has it been since someone has emotionally connected to Ben? Far too long. And he’s desperate for it.

And then her strength in general – he’s allured by it. So much so that she was shown by his side and he just straight up says ‘rule with me’.

If you watch Adam closely in the hand scene, when he sees their future he actually gulps and gets emotional. Even if he saw them ruling together, he was seeing a future where he was not alone. At the end of the movie he gulps again when he tries to reach out to Rey. This is to me the start of his redemption. He’s thinking of a future where he shares it with someone instead of bears it alone. I also think he uses the Force in a positive way when Rey is hurt and he is fighting the guards.

Oh yeah, they both gulp/gasp and it’s magical.

I agree, I think the vision scene is very important for both of them – for Rey, it encouraged her to go to Ben Solo and thereby break his chains. For Kylo, it showed him that there was someone right there (or more like emphasized) who UNDERSTANDS him enough to be with him. He, of course, is so warped by Snoke that he only ever saw that being dark/supreme leader based. He never saw the option – that he’d be with her in the middle. And that’s true for both of them.

Neither one could budge and so Rey left, heartbroken. And Kylo woke up heartbroken, but because it’s such a trigger for him, this one hit hard – and he spiraled.

It’s definitely the start – showing both of the hope for the future.

I would love to trust JJ too but I feel like he worked harder on making Rey and Finn’s relationship likeable than anything else. It is known that they did reshoots of their scenes so there was chemistry and familiarity and he wrote on the scrip things ike “she runs to finn, who she already adores” and I don’t know exactly why but I feel like they will push some kind of love triangle between Rey, Rose and Finn, even throw Poe into that mix. Maybe I need to watch it again to stop worrying so much

I responded to something similar here, pasting relevant part:

He meant affection as in friendship, because otherwise no one would have believed that Finn would lead a resistance attack for Rey, or even come back for her. Or fight for each other in the end. So he needed to show that friendship build so that we believed it and it wasn’t just because we were being told.

With TLJ being so divisive and getting low scores from angry fans, I’m afraid that antis will use this to shove it in everyone’s face how Reylo is at fault for “ruining” SW. They’re already doing this, along with making posts on how the cast hated Rian and the direction of their characters in TLJ. I can’t celebrate Reylo when so much negativity is being thrown around about a film where Reylo is close to canon as it gets. Do you think the fan reviews will even out in the end or remain negative?

Antis are just gonna glob on to anything, don’t let it stress you – or try to have it not stress you. You cannot win with them, ever. If they don’t see it now, they never will.

Fan reviews are already really positive! Don’t believe rotten tomatoes. If anything the ‘dislike’ of the film that I’m seeing is in regards to Luke and Snoke’s storylines, not even with Reylo. =)

a question, why is the argument always about Kylo being a typical abusive guy and their force is basically an abusive relationship? because I really don’t understand but I don’t see it that way. Kylo has been in the “dark” for so long he won’t just change into a “nice” guy is a span of a movie. And he never ask Rey to do anything she doesn’t want, he begged her! What more do they expect from him?

Two things – one, people who see stuff like this and call it abuse (I’ve even had a few asks saying that Poe was abused by Holdo/Leia…) are very much people who are both absolutists and those who we’d probably call antis – they hate the possibility of a blurry line and romance and want to do anything they can to demolish it. And a really good way to do that nowadays is to weaponize abuse.

Weaponizing things like that mean using the accusations of abuse as a way to take down something with (or without) proof or due course. 

So they see Kylo as this complex character, or Reylo as a complex romance, and go ‘I don’t like that’ and so they use the easiest thing to jump to – which for Reylo is abuse.

That’s because Kylo IS harsh with Rey in his words in the throne scene. He’s not harsh with her like that elsewhere, but if you already had a really negative view and no open mind you’d probably miss all the reasoning and nuance of that scene, him, and the words, and think it was the worst thing youve ever heard a man say in cinema, yadda yadda.

So we understand the reaction of his character, why he talks that way, and we understand the WHOLE PICTURE THAT THEY’RE BUILDING WITH THEM AND KYLO AS A CHARACTER, people who hate them/him won’t. They’ll refuse to see the nuances – or they’ll see it, and say it stilldoesn’t excuse XYZ. Which, okay fine, but fiction would be a very boring place if everyone who ever said anything mean or wrong was ostracized.

I feel like the reason Reylo didn’t fully happen in this movie, is because they’re not truly equals yet, as seen by their different visions. If Rey joined Kylo after the fight, she’d have become his servant rather than his equal. They still need to develop until they both share the exact same vision of their future.

Well he said she’d stand by his side, so she wouldn’t have been a servant – they’re very much equals, but the division is that both see their side as right and can’t see the grey middle ground – figuratively and literally.

Rey wants him to join her, turn to Light and the resistance. Kylo thinks shes destined to be dark and by his side to forge a new order.

So yes they need to develop more – but what they need to develop is not equality, but balance in how they see the world and their options.

some people feel dissapointed with tlj because they think Luke was mischaracterized very badly (swinging his lightsaber, seeing darkness and attempted to banish it in a brash manner), i’ve found a quote of mark hamill also disagreeing with rian’s writing, but imo people can change over the years, young luke might have progressed into a slightly bitter and jaded old man, hence why tlj works.. what do you think abt this?

I think people forget that Luke Skywalker was human. That’s the point of his story in the movie – deconstructing the myth and legend of Luke Skywalker (I’m kind of working on a meta about this woo). People (fans) thought he could do anything, he was LUKE MOTHERFUCKING SKYWALKER, and ‘in his hubris’ he took on more than he could chew and missed something big building with Ben.

And to the lightsaber thing – he never brought it down on Ben. In the 3rd version (the ‘truth that’s in the middle’) he said that he ignited it for a fleeting moment and then ‘was left with shame…and consequences’ because ofc Ben woke up when it ignited.

And BEN of COURSE thought oh shift – grabbed and ignited his lightsaber and brought it up to Luke – who ofc met it with his in defense. They were BOTH defending themselves, Luke fucked up and Ben had no way of knowing that Luke decided not to go through with it. It’s so heartbreaking.

Mark Hamill has said repeatedly that he didn’t like it initially, so much so that he talked with Rian at LENGTH about it – Daisy too actually, who was also concerned that audiences wouldn’t love Rey as much because of what she’s doing with Kylo. But Mark has ALSO said that he came to see what Rian did as appropriate. 

So yeah, it’s all about how people can change – but more importantly, it was about how Luke Skywalker is a man, not a myth. And men make mistakes.

Do you think that JJ will do Reylo justice in IX? I know he technically laid the groundwork for Reylo in TFA, but I don’t think he’s as complex of a storyteller as Rian, and I’m worried that he’ll unravel everything that happened in TLJ

I think he’ll do justice, yes. And let me tell you why – JJ has definitely built his brand into someone who can handle large franchise and movies – specifically action, but never forget that he is the person who brought us Alias (Vaughn/Sydney) and Fringe (Peter/Olivia) romances in the midst of all of that. 

And I’m not saying it’s the same dynamic, but the angst – the drama – it was all there and well handled. Those shows were VERY complex.

And I had the pleasure of attending the Alias writers’ show reunion last summer at the ATX television festival and they had amazing things to say about JJ, but primary one they said was just how GOOD he was at tying multiple plots and character development together. They told a great story about this huge two part episodic arc in I think S1 or S2? And how the writers spent like DAYS trying to figure it out, and JJ came in and just fixed it in like an hour because he’s just SO good at that kind of thing.

That’s why I don;t have any concerns about how he’ll handle the nuances and complexities of finishing a Star Wars trilogy. And also don’t forget he was an executive producer on TLJ and wished he had directed it, because he loved the story/script.

So no, he’s not going to unravel everything. You just don’t do that. The 3rd act/movie is for resolution not to further mess everything up. That’s why everyone wasSO concerned about Trevorrow (I mean, lots of reasons but yeah)- because you have to have a strong command of the threads that have been woven before the 3rd movie.